Senin, 22 Mei 2006


I'm here for the $500 Divorce.....

Such has been the first line in many a conversation I have had lately with clients coming in for a free consultation. I have resisted for years the temptation to charge hourly as other attorneys do for the sometimes 45 minute brain picking session which results many times in never hearing from the client again. I usually allow no more than 30 minutes which I consider generous but inevitably there is always that "one more question." The most frequent request lately has been for the mythical "500 divorce." Although I am sure these clients have seen this somewhere, in that too many of them have requested this fee, I still have not found the exact source. In NY the filing fees alone almost exceed this price with the filing Fees at approximately $390.00 depending on how many certified copies you need. After reading my post about Do it yourself Divorces, why would anyone want to do it themselves? They don't; they want me to do it for $500. I am also asked to do a real estate closing for $500. When did $500 become the magic number? Sure I will sit at any closing for $500, but that will not include negotiating the contract; ordering and reading your title report to insure that there are no title problems; ordering your termite inspection; checking for all co's and cc's on the house figuring all the costs involved in the closing and how to make the checks payable. I tell my clients, if I do my job correctly the closing should just be a formality taking no more than an hour. (Provided the Bank has its act together as well). Client's don't bat an eye at real estate commissions exceeding $10,000 but a $1200 legal fee becomes something they want to negotiate. In fixing up that "Old House" I guess Bob Vila made it difficult out there for all of us by showing ordinary man he can do anything. Well maybe he can, but not for $500.

I'm here for the $500 Divorce.....

Such has been the first line in many a conversation I have had lately with clients coming in for a free consultation. I have resisted for years the temptation to charge hourly as other attorneys do for the sometimes 45 minute brain picking session which results many times in never hearing from the client again. I usually allow no more than 30 minutes which I consider generous but inevitably there is always that "one more question." The most frequent request lately has been for the mythical "500 divorce." Although I am sure these clients have seen this somewhere, in that too many of them have requested this fee, I still have not found the exact source. In NY the filing fees alone almost exceed this price with the filing Fees at approximately $390.00 depending on how many certified copies you need. After reading my post about Do it yourself Divorces, why would anyone want to do it themselves? They don't; they want me to do it for $500. I am also asked to do a real estate closing for $500. When did $500 become the magic number? Sure I will sit at any closing for $500, but that will not include negotiating the contract; ordering and reading your title report to insure that there are no title problems; ordering your termite inspection; checking for all co's and cc's on the house figuring all the costs involved in the closing and how to make the checks payable. I tell my clients, if I do my job correctly the closing should just be a formality taking no more than an hour. (Provided the Bank has its act together as well). Client's don't bat an eye at real estate commissions exceeding $10,000 but a $1200 legal fee becomes something they want to negotiate. In fixing up that "Old House" I guess Bob Vila made it difficult out there for all of us by showing ordinary man he can do anything. Well maybe he can, but not for $500.

Kamis, 18 Mei 2006


Tom Cruise, Big Love and Child Custody
Is any of it in the Best Interest of the Children?

Many years ago a man walked in my office wanting to hire me to defend him in a divorce proceeding. The man was adamant about not wanting a divorce. He loved his wife, but he didn't love her religion. The wife was a practicing Jehovah's Witness and the husband was unhappy participant in the religion. It seems the wife was convinced that her husband had an affair(the likes of which he vehemently denied) and he church ex-communicated him when she told them about the perceived adultery; subsequently forcing the wife to seek a divorce. Not only didn't the husband want the divorce, but he wanted his wife and kids away from the whole Jehovah's Witness religion. He brought me in all of the literature he could get his hands I and I research the religion myself extensively. The resulting findings were rather disturbing to this mainstream mother of 4. Birthdays are not celebrated, gifts are never given and for the most part celebrations in general are banned. There is never dancing allowed at weddings and the "Church" has some very strict ideas about medicine and science in general. Blood transfusions are strickly prohibited as are all forms of surgical intervention.
With all the recent press on Tom Cruise, the Scientolgist of note in this country as well as the recent HBO phenomena "Big Love" which explores the lives of those practicing polygamy (Yup, it is outlawed in this country, even in Utah). These so called radical religions brings up tons of issues in potential custody cases as to whether practicing this religion is in the best interest of the children. Interesting case law exists where the government has sought to intervene on behalf of a child where it is felt that medically the child is endangered by the parent's religious beliefs. Most of these cases involve Child Protective services being called in where medical treatment has been with held. The cases pretty much come down on the side of appropriate medical care when there is a dispute between the medical community and the parents, but one must wonder how many times children are harmed in the name of religious freedom.
Scientology is thrilled to have the royalty of Hollywood decrying their cause. Scientolgy claims to be compatible with all religions but depicts psychiatry and psychology as evil and abusive. As with Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientologists try to mold their followers into believing that modern medicine in general is evil and should not be trusted. Scientologists prohibit breast feeding of infants. Instead of this being a personal maternal choice, the "church" has decided what is in the best interest of the child.
One needs only to watch one episode of "Big Love" to feel how disturbing and disfunctional this lifestyle is to everyone in the family. Children are herded together as sheep with very little ability to develop their own outside interests in that their lives are shrouded in secrecy or lies.
Perhaps the problem lies in the fact that these "cults" label themselves as religions, thus allowing them to operate within the confines of the freedoms America was founded. The question, begs, however, at what cost and to whom.

Tom Cruise, Big Love and Child Custody
Is any of it in the Best Interest of the Children?

Many years ago a man walked in my office wanting to hire me to defend him in a divorce proceeding. The man was adamant about not wanting a divorce. He loved his wife, but he didn't love her religion. The wife was a practicing Jehovah's Witness and the husband was unhappy participant in the religion. It seems the wife was convinced that her husband had an affair(the likes of which he vehemently denied) and he church ex-communicated him when she told them about the perceived adultery; subsequently forcing the wife to seek a divorce. Not only didn't the husband want the divorce, but he wanted his wife and kids away from the whole Jehovah's Witness religion. He brought me in all of the literature he could get his hands I and I research the religion myself extensively. The resulting findings were rather disturbing to this mainstream mother of 4. Birthdays are not celebrated, gifts are never given and for the most part celebrations in general are banned. There is never dancing allowed at weddings and the "Church" has some very strict ideas about medicine and science in general. Blood transfusions are strickly prohibited as are all forms of surgical intervention.
With all the recent press on Tom Cruise, the Scientolgist of note in this country as well as the recent HBO phenomena "Big Love" which explores the lives of those practicing polygamy (Yup, it is outlawed in this country, even in Utah). These so called radical religions brings up tons of issues in potential custody cases as to whether practicing this religion is in the best interest of the children. Interesting case law exists where the government has sought to intervene on behalf of a child where it is felt that medically the child is endangered by the parent's religious beliefs. Most of these cases involve Child Protective services being called in where medical treatment has been with held. The cases pretty much come down on the side of appropriate medical care when there is a dispute between the medical community and the parents, but one must wonder how many times children are harmed in the name of religious freedom.
Scientology is thrilled to have the royalty of Hollywood decrying their cause. Scientolgy claims to be compatible with all religions but depicts psychiatry and psychology as evil and abusive. As with Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientologists try to mold their followers into believing that modern medicine in general is evil and should not be trusted. Scientologists prohibit breast feeding of infants. Instead of this being a personal maternal choice, the "church" has decided what is in the best interest of the child.
One needs only to watch one episode of "Big Love" to feel how disturbing and disfunctional this lifestyle is to everyone in the family. Children are herded together as sheep with very little ability to develop their own outside interests in that their lives are shrouded in secrecy or lies.
Perhaps the problem lies in the fact that these "cults" label themselves as religions, thus allowing them to operate within the confines of the freedoms America was founded. The question, begs, however, at what cost and to whom.

Senin, 15 Mei 2006


Hotline Numbers

Since the title of this Blog is Divorce Hotline, I thought it appropriate to have a blog article with some helpful phone numbers. The numbers below are specific to New York, however, most states have similiar services. Brighter Tomorrows has agencies in many states; so if New York is not your home state check out your local telephone directory for help numbers.

Phone Numbers for Other Agencies Offering Health Care Assistance
AIDS Hotline (631) 385-2437
Cancer Information 1-800-4CANCER
Pregnancy and Prenatal Care information (631) 853-3033

Hotline Numbers
Mental Health Emergency (631) 952-3333
Poison Control (516) 542-2323
Response Crisis Hotline (631) 751-7500
Social Services Emergency Services (631) 854-9100

Phone Numbers for Private Agencies for Assistance with Abuse
Brighter Tomorrows (shelter) (631) 395-1800
Parents Anonymous (Suffolk chapters) (631) 265-3311
Protective Services for Adults (631) 853-2235
Retreat (shelter) (631) 329-2200
Suffolk County Coalition Against Domestic Violence (shelter) (631) 666-8833
Victims Information Bureau (VIBS) of Suffolk County Government (631) 360-3606
Victims Information Bureau Rape Hotline (631) 360-3607

Numbers for Private Agencies w/Assistance for Drug & Alcohol Abuse
AA, Spanish Intergroup (516) 223-9590
Alcoholics Anonymous (631) 669-1124
Alternatives (631) 369-1200
Phoenix House – Smithtown (631) 979-7300
Phoenix House – Brentwood (631) 306-5700
Catholic Charities (631) 543-6200
Suffolk County Dept. of Alcohol and Substance Abuse (631) 853-8500
Women for Sobriety (631) 499-6848
http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/chplus/index.htm; The site to find more about Child's Health Plus

Hotline Numbers

Since the title of this Blog is Divorce Hotline, I thought it appropriate to have a blog article with some helpful phone numbers. The numbers below are specific to New York, however, most states have similiar services. Brighter Tomorrows has agencies in many states; so if New York is not your home state check out your local telephone directory for help numbers.

Phone Numbers for Other Agencies Offering Health Care Assistance
AIDS Hotline (631) 385-2437
Cancer Information 1-800-4CANCER
Pregnancy and Prenatal Care information (631) 853-3033

Hotline Numbers
Mental Health Emergency (631) 952-3333
Poison Control (516) 542-2323
Response Crisis Hotline (631) 751-7500
Social Services Emergency Services (631) 854-9100

Phone Numbers for Private Agencies for Assistance with Abuse
Brighter Tomorrows (shelter) (631) 395-1800
Parents Anonymous (Suffolk chapters) (631) 265-3311
Protective Services for Adults (631) 853-2235
Retreat (shelter) (631) 329-2200
Suffolk County Coalition Against Domestic Violence (shelter) (631) 666-8833
Victims Information Bureau (VIBS) of Suffolk County Government (631) 360-3606
Victims Information Bureau Rape Hotline (631) 360-3607

Numbers for Private Agencies w/Assistance for Drug & Alcohol Abuse
AA, Spanish Intergroup (516) 223-9590
Alcoholics Anonymous (631) 669-1124
Alternatives (631) 369-1200
Phoenix House – Smithtown (631) 979-7300
Phoenix House – Brentwood (631) 306-5700
Catholic Charities (631) 543-6200
Suffolk County Dept. of Alcohol and Substance Abuse (631) 853-8500
Women for Sobriety (631) 499-6848
http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/chplus/index.htm; The site to find more about Child's Health Plus

Sabtu, 13 Mei 2006


Big Brother George 2006?

Yes, I know I should be spitting mad that it has been discovered that our government knows how many times a day I call my mother. I should be outraged at the thought that the very freedoms we take for granted are being compromised by an overzealous president intent on saving us all from "evil doers." While I certainly find the thought of AT & T, Verizon and Cingular handing over all of their files to the government with less bluster than Google did when asked to hand over its internet files, disturbing; I am having a hard time with outrage. Perhaps 911 really desensitizing me into thinking that perhaps I want the government to be a little more "in the know" when it comes to what is going on out there across the great satellite channels. Perhaps it is the fact that I am too young to remember the era known as McCarthy-ism and the fact that many bright and talented people were blackballed and stopped from practicing their art.
"We are not trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans," said our president; and I for one believe that to be true. I am happy, however, that congress has taken the initiative to call in the phone company executives and ask some questions. Demonstrating why we in fact have the system of checks and balances, Congress is in my opinion stepping up to the plate to insure that the average American's rights are not unduly effected by this security measure. Like everyone else, I am not happy that our post 911 lives have changed, making us all a little more cautious and frightened at the same time. We have been forced to give up some of our freedoms; now I may never see the inside of the White House. Yes, I am upset at our government for invading my privacy; but I am more outraged over those who enter this country from outside its boarders and do harm to our citizens. Ok, George, play Big Brother for a while, but round them up the way you promised and find those who have forced this new lifestyle on us.

Big Brother George 2006?

Yes, I know I should be spitting mad that it has been discovered that our government knows how many times a day I call my mother. I should be outraged at the thought that the very freedoms we take for granted are being compromised by an overzealous president intent on saving us all from "evil doers." While I certainly find the thought of AT & T, Verizon and Cingular handing over all of their files to the government with less bluster than Google did when asked to hand over its internet files, disturbing; I am having a hard time with outrage. Perhaps 911 really desensitizing me into thinking that perhaps I want the government to be a little more "in the know" when it comes to what is going on out there across the great satellite channels. Perhaps it is the fact that I am too young to remember the era known as McCarthy-ism and the fact that many bright and talented people were blackballed and stopped from practicing their art.
"We are not trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans," said our president; and I for one believe that to be true. I am happy, however, that congress has taken the initiative to call in the phone company executives and ask some questions. Demonstrating why we in fact have the system of checks and balances, Congress is in my opinion stepping up to the plate to insure that the average American's rights are not unduly effected by this security measure. Like everyone else, I am not happy that our post 911 lives have changed, making us all a little more cautious and frightened at the same time. We have been forced to give up some of our freedoms; now I may never see the inside of the White House. Yes, I am upset at our government for invading my privacy; but I am more outraged over those who enter this country from outside its boarders and do harm to our citizens. Ok, George, play Big Brother for a while, but round them up the way you promised and find those who have forced this new lifestyle on us.

Selasa, 09 Mei 2006


Times 100 Most Influential People
Who Is Arianna Huffington and Why In The World Do We Care What She Has To Say?

While driving home from Montauk the other day, I was enjoying the beautiful spring day and tossing ideas for this blog around in my mind. I kept thinking about things I had recently read and a piece struck me about the Bush White House being all washed up written by a woman named Arianna Huffington. I remembered seeing her on some talk show giving her opinion, and wondering at that time who she was and why the world would be interested in what she had to say. I thought I also remembered something about her being married to a politician. Once I got home I googled her and found out that indeed she was of Greek origin and was once married to a member of the House of representing, who received national attention by admitting his status as Bisexual to the nation. I thought to myself, why would our nation care about the opinion of the former wife of an admitted Bisexual Congressman. Not that it should matter that he was Bisexual, that just seems to add to our morbid interest in the lives of our public officials. The point is, why do we care what this woman has to say and what are her credentials to say them? From my search I couldn't find that she was ever elected to anything, however she did try to run for governor of California in the Gray Davis recall election mess back in 2003. She has guest starred on the Daily Show and Comedy Central and heads a lobby group called The Detroit Project which lobbies auto makers to produce cars that "end our dependence on foreign oil." What however, gives her the right to voice her opinion publicly on anything political and have us listen?? I couldn't find one reason why her opinion was more valuable than mine. If anyone thinks otherwise, Please write me an let me know.

Times 100 Most Influential People
Who Is Arianna Huffington and Why In The World Do We Care What She Has To Say?

While driving home from Montauk the other day, I was enjoying the beautiful spring day and tossing ideas for this blog around in my mind. I kept thinking about things I had recently read and a piece struck me about the Bush White House being all washed up written by a woman named Arianna Huffington. I remembered seeing her on some talk show giving her opinion, and wondering at that time who she was and why the world would be interested in what she had to say. I thought I also remembered something about her being married to a politician. Once I got home I googled her and found out that indeed she was of Greek origin and was once married to a member of the House of representing, who received national attention by admitting his status as Bisexual to the nation. I thought to myself, why would our nation care about the opinion of the former wife of an admitted Bisexual Congressman. Not that it should matter that he was Bisexual, that just seems to add to our morbid interest in the lives of our public officials. The point is, why do we care what this woman has to say and what are her credentials to say them? From my search I couldn't find that she was ever elected to anything, however she did try to run for governor of California in the Gray Davis recall election mess back in 2003. She has guest starred on the Daily Show and Comedy Central and heads a lobby group called The Detroit Project which lobbies auto makers to produce cars that "end our dependence on foreign oil." What however, gives her the right to voice her opinion publicly on anything political and have us listen?? I couldn't find one reason why her opinion was more valuable than mine. If anyone thinks otherwise, Please write me an let me know.

Sabtu, 06 Mei 2006


Grandparent Visitation

Every state's law allows court-ordered child visitation for grandparents, at least in some circumstances, although the standards for awarding visitation vary between the states. On June 5, 2000, the United States Supreme Court decided the case of Troxel v. Granville, which is likely to have a wide-ranging effect on grandparental visitation.

Background of the Troxel Case.

The case came out of the state of Washington. Following is a simplified summary of the facts.

Tommie Granville is the mother of two minor daughters. She did not marry their father, although they lived together for a time after the girls' birth. When the parents separated, the father moved to the home of his parents, Jenifer and Gary Troxel. The girls regularly spent weekends with their father at their grandparents' home. Then the father passed away. At first the girls continued to spend time regularly with their grandparents, but after about six months the mother told the grandparents they would be limited to one afternoon visit per month with no overnights. So they filed a court case asking for more time. The trial judge awarded them one two-day weekend per month including an overnight, four hours on each grandparent's birthday, and one week of vacation with overnights each summer. The judge made a finding that such a schedule would be in the girls' best interest in that they were part of a loving extended family that could give them exposure to their cousins and to music. The judge commented in court that as a child, he had spent a week with his grandparents during the summers.

The Washington statute (which means a law enacted by the legislature) on which the judge's decision was based allowed any person to be awarded court-ordered visitation with any children at any time, if it was in the children's best interest. This was an especially liberal visitation statute.

The mother appealed to the higher courts in the state of Washington. On appeal, the Washington Supreme Court voided the statute on the basis that it was unconstitutional under the federal Constitution because it interfered with the mother's right to make decisions about her children and it thereby violated her right to due process of law under the Fourteenth Amendment. The case ultimately was accepted for review by the United States Supreme Court, which upheld the decision of the Washington Supreme Court.

What the U.S. Supreme Court Ruled in Troxel.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a parent has the right to make decisions about his or her children's care, custody, and control, which is perhaps the oldest of the "fundamental liberty interests" recognized by the Court, and violating that right deprives a parent of what is called substantive due process under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that there is a presumption (which means something that is considered to be true unless it is proven to be untrue) that a fit parent's decisions about his or her children are in the children's best interest, and a court cannot substitute its opinion for the parent's judgment about the children's best interest. The Court did not define "fit parent". In the Troxel case, there was no suggestion that the mother was unfit.
The U.S. Supreme Court pointed out that the trial court had not accorded any special weight to the mother's decision about the grandparent's visitation, thereby failing to acknowledge the presumption that her decisions were in the children's best interest: "The problem here is not that the Washington Superior Court intervened but that when it did so, it gave no special weight at all to Granville's determination of her daughters' best interests If a fit parent's decision of the kind at issue here becomes subject to judicial review, the court must accord at least some special weight to the parent's own determination."
The U.S. Supreme Court stressed that the mother had not totally cut off the grandparents' visitation, and what the trial court had intervened in was only a dispute about the schedule. Although that is repeatedly stressed, it does not seem to be pivotal in the decision because the Supreme Court also said a parent's liberty interest includes the right to decide whether a third party such as a grandparent will have any visitation at all.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Washington's statute allowing any person to be awarded visitation at any time if the court determined it would be in the children's best interest, which Justice Sandra Day O'Connor described as "breathtakingly broad", was unconstitutional as applied to this mother in this particular situation. That is the holding of the case.

What the U.S. Supreme Court Did Not Rule In Troxel.

The U.S. Supreme Court did not invalidate the Washington statute, or any other statute of any state. Instead, the Supreme Court observed that visitation matters are decided on a case-by-case basis and no statute is necessarily unconstitutional on its face. The question is how the statute is applied in a particular situation. The Supreme Court indicated that even this "breathtakingly broad" Washington statute might not have been unconstitutional in its application to this mother, if the Washington courts had interpreted it differently.
The U.S. Supreme Court did not rule that for a court to substitute its judgment for that of a parent in regard to the best interest of children, there must be proof that it would be harmful to the children to do what the parent has decided. That was what Tommie Granville argued should be the standard, and the Supreme Court expressly declined to go that far in its ruling.
While the U.S. Supreme Court acknowledged that "special factors" might justify a state's interference with a parent's fundamental right to make decisions about the rearing of his or her children, it did not give examples of what some of those special factors might be. The Supreme Court said it was not deciding the "precise scope of a parent's due process right in the visitation context".
The U.S. Supreme Court did not accord any special status to grandparents compared to friends, non-relatives, or even strangers who might have sought visitation under Washington's any-person-at-any-time statute. The Supreme Court acknowledged that "grandparents and other relatives undertake duties of a parental nature in many households" and that in "an ideal world parents might always seek to cultivate the bonds between grandparents and their grandchildren." Nevertheless, the Supreme Court ruled the traditional liberty interest of a fit parent to make decisions about the children takes precedence over those considerations, even in this situation in which the father is dead and there does not appear to be any likelihood that the mother will allow his children to continue in a meaningful relationship with his side of the family without court-ordered grandparental visitation.

The U. S. Supreme Court's opinion in Troxel puts grandparents in the same category as anyone else who is not a parent. Because Troxel requires looking to the circumstances of a particular case and does not invalidate a grandparental visitation statute across the board, a parent who wishes to invalidate an existing visitation order cannot simply refer to Troxel and have the order invalidated. The parent would need to return to court for a hearing, at which the parent would argue that because of Troxel the particular visitation order is invalid based on the particular facts of the case. It is not clear, however, that Troxel will be applied to existing orders. It is possible the court would rule that by not appealing within 30 days after the order, the parent waived the right to make the arguments that Tommie Granville made in her case. If the existing order was made by a stipulation (agreement), there is a greater possibility the court would rule that by stipulating, the parent waived the right to make Tommie Granville's arguments.

In New York, by statute, a grandparent only has standing to seek visitation with a grandchild if the child's parent is deceased "or where circumstances show that conditions exist which equity would see fit to intervene." Therefore, where a child's parent has died, the grandparent has standing to seek visitation, which will be granted if the court finds that visitation is in the best interests of the child. If, however, both parents are alive, the grandparent seeking visitation must show some circumstance justifying judicial intervention.
The grandparents relationship with the child will be examined as will the grandparents attempts at maintaining a relationship with the child. The burden of establishing the best interest of the child is with the party seeking the visitation. New York in following the lead in Troxil places great weight on the discretion of the parent to decide whether or not said visitation will be harmful to the child. It is up to the grandparents to show that the child not only would not be harmed by this contact but would also benefit. The burden on grandparents to sustain this proof has always been high in the state of NY but while the highest court in this state did not feel the NY statute as written was invalid on its face, citing Troxil, the Court of Appeals did feel it added necessary burdens to the party seeking the visitation to show that the parent's judgment is not necessarily in the child's best interest.

Grandparent Visitation

Every state's law allows court-ordered child visitation for grandparents, at least in some circumstances, although the standards for awarding visitation vary between the states. On June 5, 2000, the United States Supreme Court decided the case of Troxel v. Granville, which is likely to have a wide-ranging effect on grandparental visitation.

Background of the Troxel Case.

The case came out of the state of Washington. Following is a simplified summary of the facts.

Tommie Granville is the mother of two minor daughters. She did not marry their father, although they lived together for a time after the girls' birth. When the parents separated, the father moved to the home of his parents, Jenifer and Gary Troxel. The girls regularly spent weekends with their father at their grandparents' home. Then the father passed away. At first the girls continued to spend time regularly with their grandparents, but after about six months the mother told the grandparents they would be limited to one afternoon visit per month with no overnights. So they filed a court case asking for more time. The trial judge awarded them one two-day weekend per month including an overnight, four hours on each grandparent's birthday, and one week of vacation with overnights each summer. The judge made a finding that such a schedule would be in the girls' best interest in that they were part of a loving extended family that could give them exposure to their cousins and to music. The judge commented in court that as a child, he had spent a week with his grandparents during the summers.

The Washington statute (which means a law enacted by the legislature) on which the judge's decision was based allowed any person to be awarded court-ordered visitation with any children at any time, if it was in the children's best interest. This was an especially liberal visitation statute.

The mother appealed to the higher courts in the state of Washington. On appeal, the Washington Supreme Court voided the statute on the basis that it was unconstitutional under the federal Constitution because it interfered with the mother's right to make decisions about her children and it thereby violated her right to due process of law under the Fourteenth Amendment. The case ultimately was accepted for review by the United States Supreme Court, which upheld the decision of the Washington Supreme Court.

What the U.S. Supreme Court Ruled in Troxel.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a parent has the right to make decisions about his or her children's care, custody, and control, which is perhaps the oldest of the "fundamental liberty interests" recognized by the Court, and violating that right deprives a parent of what is called substantive due process under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that there is a presumption (which means something that is considered to be true unless it is proven to be untrue) that a fit parent's decisions about his or her children are in the children's best interest, and a court cannot substitute its opinion for the parent's judgment about the children's best interest. The Court did not define "fit parent". In the Troxel case, there was no suggestion that the mother was unfit.
The U.S. Supreme Court pointed out that the trial court had not accorded any special weight to the mother's decision about the grandparent's visitation, thereby failing to acknowledge the presumption that her decisions were in the children's best interest: "The problem here is not that the Washington Superior Court intervened but that when it did so, it gave no special weight at all to Granville's determination of her daughters' best interests If a fit parent's decision of the kind at issue here becomes subject to judicial review, the court must accord at least some special weight to the parent's own determination."
The U.S. Supreme Court stressed that the mother had not totally cut off the grandparents' visitation, and what the trial court had intervened in was only a dispute about the schedule. Although that is repeatedly stressed, it does not seem to be pivotal in the decision because the Supreme Court also said a parent's liberty interest includes the right to decide whether a third party such as a grandparent will have any visitation at all.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Washington's statute allowing any person to be awarded visitation at any time if the court determined it would be in the children's best interest, which Justice Sandra Day O'Connor described as "breathtakingly broad", was unconstitutional as applied to this mother in this particular situation. That is the holding of the case.

What the U.S. Supreme Court Did Not Rule In Troxel.

The U.S. Supreme Court did not invalidate the Washington statute, or any other statute of any state. Instead, the Supreme Court observed that visitation matters are decided on a case-by-case basis and no statute is necessarily unconstitutional on its face. The question is how the statute is applied in a particular situation. The Supreme Court indicated that even this "breathtakingly broad" Washington statute might not have been unconstitutional in its application to this mother, if the Washington courts had interpreted it differently.
The U.S. Supreme Court did not rule that for a court to substitute its judgment for that of a parent in regard to the best interest of children, there must be proof that it would be harmful to the children to do what the parent has decided. That was what Tommie Granville argued should be the standard, and the Supreme Court expressly declined to go that far in its ruling.
While the U.S. Supreme Court acknowledged that "special factors" might justify a state's interference with a parent's fundamental right to make decisions about the rearing of his or her children, it did not give examples of what some of those special factors might be. The Supreme Court said it was not deciding the "precise scope of a parent's due process right in the visitation context".
The U.S. Supreme Court did not accord any special status to grandparents compared to friends, non-relatives, or even strangers who might have sought visitation under Washington's any-person-at-any-time statute. The Supreme Court acknowledged that "grandparents and other relatives undertake duties of a parental nature in many households" and that in "an ideal world parents might always seek to cultivate the bonds between grandparents and their grandchildren." Nevertheless, the Supreme Court ruled the traditional liberty interest of a fit parent to make decisions about the children takes precedence over those considerations, even in this situation in which the father is dead and there does not appear to be any likelihood that the mother will allow his children to continue in a meaningful relationship with his side of the family without court-ordered grandparental visitation.

The U. S. Supreme Court's opinion in Troxel puts grandparents in the same category as anyone else who is not a parent. Because Troxel requires looking to the circumstances of a particular case and does not invalidate a grandparental visitation statute across the board, a parent who wishes to invalidate an existing visitation order cannot simply refer to Troxel and have the order invalidated. The parent would need to return to court for a hearing, at which the parent would argue that because of Troxel the particular visitation order is invalid based on the particular facts of the case. It is not clear, however, that Troxel will be applied to existing orders. It is possible the court would rule that by not appealing within 30 days after the order, the parent waived the right to make the arguments that Tommie Granville made in her case. If the existing order was made by a stipulation (agreement), there is a greater possibility the court would rule that by stipulating, the parent waived the right to make Tommie Granville's arguments.

In New York, by statute, a grandparent only has standing to seek visitation with a grandchild if the child's parent is deceased "or where circumstances show that conditions exist which equity would see fit to intervene." Therefore, where a child's parent has died, the grandparent has standing to seek visitation, which will be granted if the court finds that visitation is in the best interests of the child. If, however, both parents are alive, the grandparent seeking visitation must show some circumstance justifying judicial intervention.
The grandparents relationship with the child will be examined as will the grandparents attempts at maintaining a relationship with the child. The burden of establishing the best interest of the child is with the party seeking the visitation. New York in following the lead in Troxil places great weight on the discretion of the parent to decide whether or not said visitation will be harmful to the child. It is up to the grandparents to show that the child not only would not be harmed by this contact but would also benefit. The burden on grandparents to sustain this proof has always been high in the state of NY but while the highest court in this state did not feel the NY statute as written was invalid on its face, citing Troxil, the Court of Appeals did feel it added necessary burdens to the party seeking the visitation to show that the parent's judgment is not necessarily in the child's best interest.

Selasa, 02 Mei 2006


Dipping my Toe back into Criminal Law for a moment the following quote caught my eye.....
"From my point of view, the end result will be as if I had gone to court and won, but the matter is concluded much sooner," Rush Limbaugh declaring to his listeners after signing a deal with prosecutors that will dismiss the criminal charge against him after 18 months providing he complies with the terms.

Giving new life to the term "the rich are different than you and me," (F. Scott Fitzgerald). Yet another wealthy celebrity has managed to proclaim his innocence and find a way out of a prison term that by his own standards he truly deserves. Rush Limbaugh, conservative radio talk show host, and self proclaimed guru of all that is wrong with our country, has on numerous occasions touting the drug laws in this country as fair on those using and abusing. His comment "Do you think if there was any real evidence, we would have reached a settlement?" shows absolute ignorance of the legal system and an attempt to snow his followers into thinking that again "truth and justice and the American way" prevailed in a situation that in fact is known to the rest of the legal community as a plea deal. Limbaugh can spin it any way he wants, but if in fact there was no evidence, there would not be a plea deal at all, but an out and out dismissal. FYI Rush, if you had gone to court and won, you wouldn't be forced to submit to random drug testing nor would you be bound to continue to attend drug treatment. Plus Rush, if you are innocent, why aren't you complaining that they have taken your second ammendment right away, you know, the one that allows you to own a gun? Yep, the rich are different; beginning with the way they think of themselves and of the rest of us.

Dipping my Toe back into Criminal Law for a moment the following quote caught my eye.....
"From my point of view, the end result will be as if I had gone to court and won, but the matter is concluded much sooner," Rush Limbaugh declaring to his listeners after signing a deal with prosecutors that will dismiss the criminal charge against him after 18 months providing he complies with the terms.

Giving new life to the term "the rich are different than you and me," (F. Scott Fitzgerald). Yet another wealthy celebrity has managed to proclaim his innocence and find a way out of a prison term that by his own standards he truly deserves. Rush Limbaugh, conservative radio talk show host, and self proclaimed guru of all that is wrong with our country, has on numerous occasions touting the drug laws in this country as fair on those using and abusing. His comment "Do you think if there was any real evidence, we would have reached a settlement?" shows absolute ignorance of the legal system and an attempt to snow his followers into thinking that again "truth and justice and the American way" prevailed in a situation that in fact is known to the rest of the legal community as a plea deal. Limbaugh can spin it any way he wants, but if in fact there was no evidence, there would not be a plea deal at all, but an out and out dismissal. FYI Rush, if you had gone to court and won, you wouldn't be forced to submit to random drug testing nor would you be bound to continue to attend drug treatment. Plus Rush, if you are innocent, why aren't you complaining that they have taken your second ammendment right away, you know, the one that allows you to own a gun? Yep, the rich are different; beginning with the way they think of themselves and of the rest of us.

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